I'm thinking of making a small cart to haul things in at War. It needs to be simple to make, lightweight but sturdy, small enough to be handled easily by a small woman but large enough to haul grocery-run items or possibly a cooler, and preferably collapsible so that it can be transported in the trunk or back seat of a car. Anyone have ideas for me?
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Tue, April 15, 2008 - 2:38 PMNone of those are what I had in mind.
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Tue, April 15, 2008 - 2:44 PMWe were tossing around the idea of a "war wagon" to haul all our stuff to and from the battle ield. Maybe try to make it look like one of those period deals with the big wooden wheels. I'll post a pic when we get it finished. -
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Tue, April 15, 2008 - 3:06 PMSounds cool!
I figure if I can come up with something that has a box perhaps 3' x 3' x 3' with probably 3 or 4 wheels (so it stays upright on its own) and a handle or handles for pulling or pushing it, that will do just fine. If possible, I want to be able to just peg the sides and bottom together when I arrive at camp, attach the wheels and handles and be set to roll, then break it back down to easy packing size when I leave. Packing space is at a premium as our car isn't very large and I'm already asking a friend to haul some of my larger items in her van.
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Tue, April 15, 2008 - 3:17 PMWell, I couldn't really find something that looks terribly easy, but you might find some ideas here:
moas.atlantia.sca.org/wsnlinks/index.php
Or here: (they're wheelbarrows but they seem to be simpler and break down flat)
moas.atlantia.sca.org/wsnlinks/index.php
I know I'd sure love to make one for camp, especially for ice and water runs from the Cooper Store. -
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Tue, April 15, 2008 - 8:35 PMSome good ideas there! I'd still sort of like to make something wagonish with 3 or 4 wheels, but I could see doing the wheelbarrow. It would probably be easier to make, if a tad more difficult to use. -
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Tue, April 15, 2008 - 9:48 PMMy guess is the wheelbarrow would actually be easier to use once you got off the level paved roads. -
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Tue, April 15, 2008 - 11:13 PMPerhaps. However, what I worry about is the fact that it has a slanted bed and that things may fall out, and that if I need to stop and rest, laying it down means the bed may shift, things may fall out then, etc. A small wagon with a level bed is a bit more my speed, i think. -
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Wed, April 16, 2008 - 8:42 AMI too made a breakdown/dissassembleable periodesque cart. Here is a photo of me pulling it at Pennsic last year.
www.tinyurl.com/33leom
I can also be seen (at a distance) pushing it in the first five seconds of this video clip as our unit marched up to the battle field.
youtube.com/watch
It proved to be very useful for carrying everyones helms, weapons, shields, etc on and off the battlefield. Mind you, it was a bit alarming going down runestone hill with it filled with gear in the rain. Fortunately I had a couple of people to help prevent it from running away. I found it to be less alarming if I pushed the cart when going up the hill, and pulled it when going down the hill, so that I was always on the downhill side of the cart
I don't really have plans for it as such, but it is possible to see the evolution of it in my gallery at:
www.tinyurl.com/2kd9rg
I went through a couple of iterations on the construction of the wheels. They are currently made using twelve oak spokes which taper from two inches wide at the hub to one inch wide at the felloe. There is a one inch round by one inch long tennon which connects the spoke to the felloes. The felloes are made from 2x4 spruce. There are a pair of six inch wide by one inch thick discs which are bolted to each other on either side of the hub. There is no dish to the wheels. The axle is made from a barbell, and I use the barbells nuts to position the wheels on the axle.
I'm thinking of reworking the deck of the cart this year, since I had only slapped together something using a couple of scrap pieces of chipboard.
Wheels are neat and complicated pieces of technology that you really don't get to appreciate until you try to make them. Here's a neat site that documents how to make a traditional light english pattern wheel.
tinyurl.com/2dnsj2
Let me know if you have any questions/comments.
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Thu, April 17, 2008 - 11:15 AMOoh, very nice! I would imagine I could adapt something like that to a slightly smaller size and possibly a four-wheeled variety, even. I'm going to have my fiance look it over with me.
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Wed, April 16, 2008 - 5:15 AMYou know...looking at that 16th century wheelbarrow it doesn't look too difficult to make...and it folds flat...
*shakes head* No no, can't add any more projects to the list! *laughs* -
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Wed, April 16, 2008 - 6:31 AMI'm going to have my fiancee take a look at that wheelbarrow and see what he says... since he'll get drafted to help with it. ;-) -
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Wed, April 16, 2008 - 7:08 AMwhat? no chariots????
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Wed, April 16, 2008 - 7:15 AMAre you offering to pull? ;-) -
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Wed, April 16, 2008 - 11:18 AMD'ner will ride just behind you and occasionally whisper "Memento mori" into your ear. -
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Wed, April 16, 2008 - 1:54 PMnow-a-days its more like carpe diem... an i'll have a bottle of meade or rum along...
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Thu, April 17, 2008 - 9:23 AMEnough mead or rum, and it becomes "carpe drunkem", doesn't it? Not that I'd know anything about that, you understand... ;-) -
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Thu, April 17, 2008 - 8:35 PMThorolfr's wagon would be especially easy if you put a leather harness on it so that you don't have to haul with your arms. Men are good with arm strength, but women are better with torso strength. -
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Thu, April 17, 2008 - 8:44 PMActually, I wouldn't be making anything a large as that one. I'm thinking of something small, just for hauling ice and groceries. So it probably wouldn't be an issue.
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