Canvas tents at Pennsic

topic posted Wed, January 9, 2008 - 12:06 PM by  Shaell
Allo all,

A friend of mine would like to know what the size regulations are on canvas tents at pennsic for single camping? On the pennsic site, we couldn't find the info. What is the largest size you can bring? thanks so much peeps.
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Shaell
Maryland
  • Re: Canvas tents at Pennsic

    Wed, January 9, 2008 - 12:48 PM
    your allotted 225 sq feet per person when you pre reg, so if it is a couple you have 350 sq feet. Your tent shoul be within those parameters. Also remember depending on who you are camping with may ask how much space you can give up for common area.
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      Wed, January 9, 2008 - 1:09 PM
      www.pennsicwar.org/penn37/L...ules.html

      According to this it is 250 sq ft per person pre-regged. That HAS to include all your interior as well as exterior room. No part of your tent or gear is to exceed that amount. Do not forget space for stakes and ropes if your tent requires them. Outside space for sitting or campfires or whatever comes from that space too. It is MUCH easier in a group setting to conserve space by limiting folks to less than the allotted amount to give way to some "community land" for things like showers and kitchens and firepits etc.
      • Re: Canvas tents at Pennsic

        Wed, January 9, 2008 - 1:44 PM
        Thanks for the correction valentin! I always mix up the "new" allotment space! I'm beginning to think im getting old
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          Wed, January 9, 2008 - 5:58 PM
          Have they been to Pennsic before? Will anyone be around to help them get settled? Or will they be completely on their own? Depending on who is at Troll when they arrive, don't expect too much help. They are not always up to date on what spots have filled and may send them off to a location where there is nothing left. Last year was my first Pennsic and a single camper to boot. It was an eye opening experience. Some spaces fill up quickly. If they don't mind being out by the parking lots they probably won't have any trouble finding a spot.
          Sorry to be so blunt and not to put anyone off on this, cause i'll probably go single camping again this year. It's a few things i wish i had been made more aware of.
          • Re: Canvas tents at Pennsic

            Wed, January 9, 2008 - 10:45 PM
            No, no, you are actually offering the correct things to consider! To the lady asking the question....are you going or pre-reg? If not, why not? Make yourself a camp and pick a spot! You have several chances to get into the areas where you might want to actually camp.

            BTW, I am a Panther Dealer and you do need to consider the amount of space your lines will "extend" past your tent, any good land agent will tell you that.

            If you're doing pennsice for the first time, don't request land on N23 where we live, seriously. We are now a corner of what that space shows. It say's, according to the map that N23 is over 100K sq. feet. That's the parking lot past north gate! We are literally the part they can't park cars on!!!!!!

            So don't bring your trailer up at 4 in the morning and get stuck behind my camp.........I have people that can hurt people, don't make me use them! Kidding.
            • Re: Canvas tents at Pennsic

              Thu, January 10, 2008 - 5:21 AM
              See im part of a clan already, but it will be my friends first time to pennsic and they want to buy a canvas tent. So they don't want to get something that is against any regulations or rules and waste the money and have no place to sleep in.lolol. But thanks everyone for your relpies. I forwarded all the info everyone gave me to them. They said thank you as well. XD. Hope to see a lot of you at Pennsic! Ciao.
              • Re: Canvas tents at Pennsic

                Fri, January 11, 2008 - 10:11 PM
                My recommendation is this - have your friends get a Regent pavilion. It's great on space, easy to set up, simple to carry and relatively inexpensive. I have one, stayed in it last Pennsic for the first time and loved it! Now, I'm only one person so my simple little 10x10 with 7ft walls was perfectly roomy enough for me and the mountains of stuff I have with me. The only addition I'm getting this year is a awning for the front - the slope of the walls and rain = not so great. So yeah, I'm getting an awning but that's the only complaint about that pavilion. Otherwise it has worked perfectly!

                There are other options, of course, but I'm really happy with my Panther and have been since I got to sleep in on hot mornings and stayed warm on cold nights.
                • Re: Canvas tents at Pennsic

                  Sat, January 12, 2008 - 12:48 PM
                  Often if you are camping within a group, you have space and plenty enough. I think somewhere there is a group allotment that is added on for a fire pit, showers and kitchen.

                  But singles camping is JAMMED it's like bloody sardines and you have to go through someone else's tent to get to your own.

                  I have been to both and my advice is unless you want perfect strangers sleeping in your tent under NO circumstances do you want a canva tent in singles camping.
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                    Re: Canvas tents at Pennsic

                    Sun, January 13, 2008 - 12:41 AM
                    The biggest we have ever had put up in our camp was 50X20.
                    You can find bigger tents but why the hell would you need anything more then that.
                    I guess in a singles type of thing, being pre-regged for your 250 sq. You could put up something that was including the stake area 250 sq feet.
                    No camp fire or anything else, but the regs are pretty much not bigger then you allocated land space.
                    How big is this tent you are bringing to war?
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                    Re: Canvas tents at Pennsic

                    Wed, February 6, 2008 - 12:31 PM
                    Huh? Octavia, - which singles camping areawas this?
                    We've had the space across the road designated singles before, a few years back, (before Burning Hand got it) and you could have had a 20x24' for each individual, an awning on each, and still had parking for everyone's cars in camp. lol! And where my mates camp in singles out in the woods across from the western parking lot, theres' more space than anyone could ever use up! Imagine it as able to have actual PRIVACY - even sound-wise - between tents... ;o)

                    My advice would be that they should obtain themselves (self?) a pavilion they can LIVE with rather than one which will "fit-into" some camp-nazi's vision of the 'perfect camp'. Pavilions are too expensive to be selling off or replacing every year or so to "fit in"... especially since they're not in a household or space-conscious camp. If that were the need/case, - there would be nothing but 12x12' tents anywhere on site.
                    (which still would be smaller than the 250 sq. feet allowed per person through pre-reg even with the ropes/stakes needed)
                    If later on they decide to join up with a household, - they would already have their size known when they're being invited.
                    As for me? - I'd only camp with a group that'd want ME more than they'd NOT want my "25 sq. feet too big" tent. ;o)

                    Cheers and see you all sometime in about 1/2 a year!
                • Re: Canvas tents at Pennsic

                  Mon, January 21, 2008 - 8:30 PM
                  We have a Panther Regent, which we love, but the ropes do make it a big issue in terms of planning space for it carefully.

                  Personally, if I had a friend who knew they were going to be in singles camping for a couple of years at least, I'd recommend a wedge tent, because the staked sides mean only a couple of ropes at either end. It's a tidier footprint if you need to fit the tent somewhere.

                  We picked up a used Panther wedge tent a few years back, which we loan to friends and use for short weekend events. There's not a lot of standing room except in the very center, but it's a really nice choice for one or two people, especially if they are planning to socialize elsewhere. Even in the 8x9 we have, we can fit a full size mattress on a frame at one end and still have room for a stack of clothing trunks and a small table near the entrance.
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                    Re: Canvas tents at Pennsic

                    Thu, February 7, 2008 - 3:11 PM
                    To cowboy:
                    I honestly don't know. If you go to Vlad's and take the next left and go up this crumbly hill and take another left there are a bunch kind of divided singles camps that are crammed. I had a friend staying there.
                • Re: Canvas tents at Pennsic

                  Thu, February 14, 2008 - 9:27 AM
                  I agree re: the regent pavilion option...but get one with a front vestibule too if possible. This keeps rain out of your main doorway (the vestibule is attached already) and provides wind protection and shade enough for two people using small space. The "back" can still have an awning attached if desired.
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                    Re: Canvas tents at Pennsic

                    Wed, April 9, 2008 - 7:42 AM
                    Hah! Nice idea there, Emm... LOVE yer pavilion babe... ;o)

                    - If you're still checking back on this Shaell, - you've probably determined that it mostly depends on 'where' it is you'll be camping at Pennsic.

                    - If you're inside an already established camp, with a long history of camping on the same land, their land in in one of the older, more established areas, and they've grown but their land hasn't, - then you're basically, - well... - you come up with a word.
                    - If you're in a group that is relatively new, camping out in the B blocks or some other area with a lot of open space, - well.. then it really doesn't matter much. As I mentioned earlier, - it all depends.
                    What I'd recommend, (as have others on here already) for one's self, would be the large Regent - especially if there's any chance of someone camping in your tent with you either now or in the future. It's basically a 16x16 which is 256 feet of floor space, (to be picky, you can minus off the corners since the floor is really an octagon, so you'd easily be under 250 sq. of inside space) - but has the fewest poles/ropes/stakes needed to set it up of all the square tents. They're pretty, they're strong in the wind, and they give you more space for the buck than any of them. And who really is gonna get that nit-picky about 6 square feet? And ropes can be criss-crossed if you're in a really tight situation. Egads... - how happy I am that I camp where I do.... ;o)

                    Now... - if this entire discussion has leaned the wrong directio, and you're asking more about something like a large group tent for common space, - then all is moot and you can go buy yerself the biggest darn tent you want to. 'cause then it's all up to your campmates and willingness to either give up individual space, buying extra with "ghosts", or just camping in a place where nobody really cares... :-D

                    Cheers and good luck with it!
                    • Re: Canvas tents at Pennsic

                      Wed, April 9, 2008 - 8:36 AM
                      I will just say this,

                      Within our group, we actually tell our "Pennsic Virgins" to do their first year with a mundane tent. Buying a period tent is an investment. (I know this is hard to believe) If go to Pennsic and it is really not your thing, then you don't want to have spent all the money on a tent you are only using once.

                      The reasons we have the rule are this:
                      1. First establish this is something you enjoy and want to do again.
                      2. You are able to go around and see what you like and don't like, then you can make a very educated purchase
                      3. Learn the environment that you are camping in, what space requirement you need, your camp needs and if your camp has a certain skeme

                      Of course my personal favorite

                      4. Know what it is to be burned out of your tent at 8 in the morning, tired and hung over. That way, you can truly appreciate the Canvas tent.

                      After that, follow what cowboy says. He's very wise.
                      • Re: Canvas tents at Pennsic

                        Mon, April 14, 2008 - 10:06 AM
                        being burned out at 8am is what sold me on a canvas tent! I did my first 3 wars in nylon and gods d@*n it - the sun is an evil, evil thing.

                        but yes, it is a good idea to know what you want in a pavilion before you go buying one. a campmate had a regent with 6ft walls and a floor print I liked - so when i got mine i knew to get the 7' walls because i'm 6' tall. But it was nice to be able to know that before I got it, and not be regreting it afterward.
                        • Re: Canvas tents at Pennsic

                          Mon, April 14, 2008 - 10:16 AM
                          I've pretty much made up my mind to get a canvas tent for this year. As cheaply as I can, though, because I'm probably doing Pennsic on a shoestring. But being baked out of bed at oh-hungover-thirty every morning by that evil orb in the sky just doesn't appeal to this homebrewing insomniac.
                          • Re: Canvas tents at Pennsic

                            Mon, April 14, 2008 - 5:57 PM
                            If you're really short on cash, one thing you might want to consider is a canvas tent that's not period, like an army tent (just google for army surplus) or a trader's tent (like hunters use) from davistent.com or kwikkamp.com, which are usually at least a third of the price of a period pavilion. I love my Panther Regent, but I know a lot of people who get the same canvas comfort from one of these other modern versions.
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                              Mon, April 14, 2008 - 7:08 PM
                              If you want a nice period tent but on a budget, think about a wall tent. it works for later periods but also some examples from roman times have been seen in drawings too. Check out these guys as they not only do great work but have an amazing turn around time and are really reasonable.
                              www.tentsmiths.com/period-t...ents.html
                              • Re: Canvas tents at Pennsic

                                Mon, April 14, 2008 - 7:21 PM
                                www.midwesttent.com/catalog/

                                I bought one from them last year (slant walled mini) and am very happy with it.
                                • Re: Canvas tents at Pennsic

                                  Mon, April 14, 2008 - 8:25 PM
                                  Actually, I've been toying with the idea of this one for a while: midwesttent.com/catalog/product_info.php
                                  • Re: Canvas tents at Pennsic

                                    Mon, April 14, 2008 - 11:08 PM
                                    Well I know if you live in PA they are not allowed by law to mail order you a non fir retardant tent. So make sure what your state laws are.
                                    • Re: Canvas tents at Pennsic

                                      Mon, April 14, 2008 - 11:14 PM
                                      I'm in Ohio, and have no idea where to find out what our state law is on this.
                                      • Re: Canvas tents at Pennsic

                                        Mon, April 14, 2008 - 11:16 PM
                                        And yes, I'd rather have fire retardant, but I've got to be able to afford it too. The thousand-dollar tents are right out; frankly anything over about $400 or so is more than I want to spend right now. In a few years, maybe, but not right now. (I've gone back to college and have tuition to pay; once I finish my degree, my cash flow will improve.)
                                        • Re: Canvas tents at Pennsic

                                          Mon, April 14, 2008 - 11:52 PM
                                          Hey, Summer....

                                          Ohio has no such dumb laws.
                                          ( and personally, I'm sick of the govt. "saving" us from ourselves in other ways already... - what ever happened to Darwinism? )

                                          As to budget tents around $400 or less - how about these:
                                          - Bell Back Wedge tent. - 8' tall, 10' wide, and 11'2" long PLUS a 5' bell added on one end. $355
                                          - Wall Tent. 10' x 8'w. with 4' wall height and 8'4"" peak height. $315 / 10' X 10' X 8'4" tall $365
                                          - French Double Bell wedge. (pretty tent) 12' x 16' x 8' tall. $440 (ok, it's more than $400, but it's PRETTY...)
                                          - Anglo-Saxon Geteld tent. 6' high x 6' w. x 10' $240 / 7' tall x 7'w. x 12' $275 / 8' tall x 8' w. x 14' $365

                                          Now of course, you'd have to make the poles for these, - and cut ropes and find stakes (I know a few tricks there, - would be happy to let you in on them...) - but you could also take 10% off of the prices I quoted above, which are from Panther's current catalog if ordered through m'self.

                                          An' I can personally vouch for the spaciousness of the 10 x 10' wall tent for one person, as I've camped in one over a weekend. Used my regular Pennsic bed, (which is high enough to store large plastic tubs beneath) a card table, a folding table and benches set, a trunk, and my cooler and still had plenty of "move-around" space. Sounds pretty hard to believe, but it worked.

                                          Just in case you decide to go for it... ;o)
                                          • Re: Canvas tents at Pennsic

                                            Tue, April 15, 2008 - 12:20 AM
                                            A 10' x 10' wall tent would be very nice, I think. There's myself and my fiance, and basically we're planning to bring a queen slat bed, some totes that will fit under the bed and/or be used as side tables, a cooler, a couple of chairs and probably a small folding table. 4' wall height would open out pretty quickly to standing height for both of us, since he's only 5'7" and I'm even shorter. Making poles and cutting the ropes and such shouldn't be an issue; we're the "can-do" type. Naturally, I'll welcome any tips you can offer!

                                            I think you've sold me on the idea. :-) How soon would I have to get an order in to have it in time for Pennsic? And if I can get it in time for Northern Oaken War Maneuvers in early June, that would rock even harder. I'll have to take a look at my cash flow... thank goodness for 1) the yard sale we have coming up shortly, 2) tuition payment plans for summer classes and 3) classes that end before War!
                                            • Re: Canvas tents at Pennsic

                                              Thu, May 8, 2008 - 7:46 AM
                                              I have a 10.5 ft diameter round from Midwest Tent and I absolutely love it.

                                              Planning to paint it up for Pennsic this year. Canvas is SO much nicer than nylon!

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